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PART 3 - June 11, 2015 Interview between Fulya Peker and Kara Feely

These three interviews between Fulya Peker and Kara Feely, which address the aftermath of the Gezi Park Protests in Turkey, served as the basis for the majority of the text for Object Collection's 2015 opera "cheap&easy OCTOBER".

This third and final interview was conducted a week after the second, after the elections in Turkey in 2015.
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June 11, 2015 


Fulya Peker: I am here!

Kara Feely: Me too! How did the elections go?

FP: There is a 10% threshold in elections, to get into the parliament a party need to get 10% of the general votes... and for the first time in years the more leftist party got past the 10% and got in! A big success, and surely a success of GEZI... people were collaborating against oppression... a huge political step after years. This automatically reduced the seats of the governing party in the parliament. Now is the time for a coalition. We will see which parties will get together and govern.

KF: That's fantastic to hear! So, what is the next step? Is there another set of elections or is this solved within the parliament?

FP: Well the parties need to create a coalition government. If they cannot get together and do it, there will be elections again. It is though because the parties are very opposing as of now.

KF: Are you feeling hopeful?

FP: This brought up some hope after Gezi, the election day was an echo, and this was the last chance. Not that things will change! But you know at least to see that people are not so stupid helps.

KF: Certainly.

FP: Hard days will come for sure. It is like gaining some breathing time in between.

KF: I'm going to ask you some semi- stupid questions, ok?

FP: Sure I would love to answer such questions.

KF: If you were in alive during the Russian Revolution of 1917, what role do you think you would have played?

FP: Haahahahahaaaa! Poet. I mean provocateur!

KF: Do you think you'd also have another profession? Like a cobbler? Or a person working in the printing press, for example?

FP: Probably! I am sure I would be imprisoned. A laborer... but secretly distributing a provoking paper full of poems. Working underground somehow.

KF: Hmmm, sounds about right. Where, Moscow? Some village somewhere?

FP: Weird as we are chatting I saw myself walking in a street, hiding papers inside my coat. Seeing my shadow, street lamps, constantly checking if someone follows me, vapor coming out of my mouth. And my fingers are all painted or somehow dirty.

KF: Sounds like a city to me.

FP: I may be in a village but from Moscow. Going back and forth maybe. Traveling too much lately.

KF: Heh. Perhaps this is a past-life of yours that is just now coming to the surface!!!

FP: I am not sure if I would be a partisan.

KF: I think about Trotsky all the time. Maybe because I am reading his “History of the Russian Revolution”, OR MAYBE because I was his laundress or something, in a past life. I see his ironical smile. And he's taking about himself in the 3rd person.

FP: Why not! Third person is a great way to talk about the self. Brecht exercise for actors, an actor stands does actions, and says aloud the actions as he/she does them, and says them in the 3rd person. I use it in my classes... very important. I think I believe in individual struggles. Many individuals are better than a single mass, and the 3rd person is always better than second and first, because it helps create distance between the daily self and the primal self. There is an old Turkish revolutionary killed from ‘68 generation... He believed in organic revolutions. Instead of following another revolution a country should create its own ways to revolt. Very true. Because there were many factions during those times, some believed in the Russian revolution, some in China... etc. Here is his image... Artaud looking, handsome ugly revolutionary! My type.

KF: I think he looks extremely nice. And a Brecht-style workers cap too. Can you imagine an organic revolution for Turkey? What could it look like? Let's say it was 50 years from now. There's flying cars... and inter-planetary space travel…

FP: Hahahaa! Will we wait 50 years for flying cars? Google already put out cars without drivers. It will get here in 10 years.

KF: I think it's going to be 50 years before a real flying car hits the market. I just don't want to get my hopes up, you know, that it will happen while I'm still able to drive.

FP: I don't drive anyway. I want to fly as a pedestrian!

KF: Personal, non-air polluting jet packs then.

FP: I believe the effects of Gezi will be seen in 50 years in arts and literature and even in science. Those movements are not effective simultaneously. They shape the future generations somehow. The young people here have no political, historical codes that we have, either from ignorance or from freedom... but it helps. Because they act how they feel, instead of acting out a political ideology. What about moon travel? I want to go to the moon!

KF: You're there already!

FP: That would be fun to get out of this world!

KF: Do you think a real change could happen sooner?

FP: Caligula! No change will happen I think... but as I always say some sort of transformation will take place in the mindset. Well, hopefully! Like the way we use the machine will be different, but the machine will serve the same purpose by the end of the day. Hopeful hopelessness! Or vice versa.

KF: I like to think about 50 years… since it is distant and feels far away and it's hard to image what it could look like. There IS the possibility that the future could be radically different from what our daily life is like now. And involve an entirely different way of thinking about things like labor/property/individuals.

FP: Certainly. And I think I prefer to shoot for those times, not for today. Even if I die, a youngster in 2080 may hear about me and get excited... which is good enough. Who cares about the applause. Oh my, 2080!!! Such a number!!! I am hoping to open a laboratory on the Aegean coast in Turkey, in my grandmother's field, around 2020-2025. Wanna join?

KF: Yes. In the open air? A field?

FP: Well maybe 2030... depends on the money. I need to get rich first. Yeah open air, but surely there will be a structure on the field! Designed specially for the laboratory.

KF: That sounds wonderful. I am very hopeful knowing you want to do this. Maybe we can develop a prototype for the first flying car there too. Or personal jet pack, personal revolutionary jet pack.

FP: Why not! That will be the place to do it! Revolutionary jet pack sounds enticing! It is always great to have some distant future plans I think, otherwise it is easy to get lost in the near future...

KF: I feel like I have no distant future plans. That's problematic.

FP: Well you made one, your son.

KF: True. He kind of keeps me in the moment, since his momentary needs are so engulfing.

FP: I am sure... do you think he will chose art, or revolution? Or will he hate art? Oh well, what am I saying... he is too young.

KF: He's into music, but who knows. I think he's going to do great things. When I think of the future, it feels like a return to the past somehow. Like moving backwards rather than forwards. I talk about flying cars, but I just see communes in the future with naked babies running around and outdoor rehearsals. And macrame planters.

FP: That is the ideal! A commune is the ideal. I would prefer the latter, and a jet pack.

KF: I wonder if everyone's utopia is the era in which they were born… for me, the 70's. Or at least that era has made a visual imprint on their consciousness… their sense of beauty and design, and atmosphere.

FP: Not sure... well, mine is the 1920’s. I realized in Turkey that I live a much younger life compared to my friends from High School. They are like old people! Weird. I feel like those tiring 11 years in New York kept me at the age of my departure.

KF: Interesting. I think that's true for a lot of people involved in the arts. I feel like I still dress like I'm in college. Not like an adult with a child.

FP: Exactly. And in New York it is even more visible. I guess I miss New York somehow. Maybe I am still in the atmosphere of my previous life... hahha.

KF: The atmosphere of your previous life as an agitator in pre-revolutionary Russia, RIGHT?

FP: Right!

KF: Sorry I am so stupid today, but Travis told me yesterday that he thinks the piece needs to have some humor in it. Trotsky is funny, but not really… actually. So we are providing the comic relief today.

FP: I am all for it! The sense of humor was the highlight in Gezi. It is still alive in Turkey, the jokes are all around!!!

KF: Can you tell me some of them? I like jokes!

FP: They are kind of hard to translate but let me try.

KF: Ooooh, I'm excited.

FP: When police were attacking they were writing "enough is enough, I am calling the police!" on the walls.

KF: That's pretty funny. Terrible too.

FP: “At first everything was a gas cloud then life began!”

FP: “You banned alcohol, people sobered up!” from the first days of protests.

KF: Oh I love these. Were they graffiti or slogans?

FP: Graffitti and slogans. People were shouting "common shoot it!" to the police... "oh dude, this gas is awesome!" "Where are you my love here I am my love", a song from LGBT, a crowd yells out to another crowd during the protests while running. And the youngsters used all the pop stuff to create jokes about Gezi. "Are you aware of the danger, no Candy Crash requests for days?" "We are all pokemons!" "Winter is coming Erdogan!"

KF: “Is there any intelligent life on earth? Yes, but I’m only visiting.” “The flower generation has a tin ear. Folk you.” “Choose your weapons—flowers or guns but remember flowers don’t shoot and guns make shitty flower pots.” “There’s no problem so big or complicated that it can’t be run away from.”

FP: Great!

KF: Graffiti from May '68. But this joke is for you: “The only post-modernist I ever met was a modernist who worked in a post office.”

FP: oh no!!!!

KF: Can you guess who said that?

FP: Warhol.

KF: Heiner Müller. Heh

FP: Hah!

KF: Funny socialists!

FP: It is very important I think. We called it "disproportionate intelligence" Mocking, sarcasm is a way to fight!

KF: Sometimes it hurts more when it's funny.

FP: Indeed. The absurdity becomes visible.

KF: Alright my dear. I should go. I think I have enough material now… need to move away from the collection phase to the writing phase. No more gleaning. Time for scheming.
If you think of any more Gezi jokes, please pass ‘em on!

FP: I will! Hi to boys! And excited to read the text!



conducted over internet chat June 11, 2015

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Theater artist Fulya Peker’s dialogue with arts and aesthetics began with painting classes. Soon images transformed into words, and her interest in poetry led her to theater.
She completed her BA in Theater at H.U. Ankara State Conservatory, and her MA in Theater, Literature, History and Criticism at Brooklyn College/CUNY. She interned at the 13th Street Repertory Theater as an assistant to the literary manager, at the Wooster Group and the Ontological-Hysteric Theater as a production assistant.
In New York, she performed in works by the leading figures of experimental theater and music such as Richard ForemanJohn Zorn, and Robert Ashley. She also worked with butoh dance master Katsura Kan and photographer/director David Michalek. While presenting her own work as a writer and director, she also collaborated with fine arts, literature, and philosophy organizations on projects concerning ritualistic and avant-garde theater. Her poems, translations, and articles on experimental theater were published both in Turkey and the USA.
Peker, as the founder of Modern Mythologies Project and the founder/artistic director of the theater group Katharsis Performance Project, continues to present performances; develop and teach new approaches and interdisciplinary projects on acting, writing, directing internationally.
She has performed with Object Collection on several pieces including "cheap&easy OCTOBER", "NO HOTEL", "Innova", and was the solo voice in their staged adaptation of Robert Ashley's "Automatic Writing".

www.fulyapeker.com


PART 2 - June 2, 2015 Interview between Fulya Peker and Kara Feely


These three interviews between Fulya Peker and Kara Feely, which address the aftermath of the Gezi Park Protests in Turkey, served as the basis for the majority of the text for Object Collection's 2015 opera "cheap&easy OCTOBER".

This second interview was conducted a year after the first and was just prior to the elections in Turkey in 2015.
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June 2, 2015

Kara Feely: So, first off, how are you? Ready to invade NYC again?!

Fulya Peker: I am well, kind of busy still... will go to Paris for a performance 15-25th of June... hoping to perform in front of "Gates of Hell", which suits me well!

KF: ooooooh I wish I could see that. What's the performance?

FP: Embodying all the figures of the "Gates of Hell"… Butoh style, and hopefully the actual shadows will help... my Modern Mythologies Project series continue... as usual...

KF: Fantastic. Well, I wanted to dwell on the idea of commemoration… since you were talking about the Gezi uprising anniversary. And this is a major idea of the piece… 3 consecutive commemorative events 1) the Russian Revolution 2) the film "October" 3) the founding of the art journal "October". And of course jump into whatever you like here… it's all good. But things are sort of dead now in Turkey, yes? What's going on?

FP: Commemoration! When it is not the uprising itself, commemoration of a revolution is never revolutionary... but to remember helps, and keeps the hope of yet another uprising awake... but you know such uprisings are unrepeatable. It requires an immense pressure for the volcano to burst... elections are coming up!!! Which is the major subject right now.

KF: When are the elections?

FP: This weekend.

KF: Are there any activist activities planned around them, or is it considered futile?

FP: Well I voted already... because I seem to be living in New York still, so I voted in the airport.

KF: Officially or mentally? Did you have to vote at the airport?

FP: I have to, because my address appears to be in New York. If I were in New York I was going to go to the consulate.

KF: I really like the idea of voting at the airport, of course not having to do it, I'm sure it is a pain in the ass.

FP: I travel between Ankara and Istanbul every weekend to teach, so it was easy... I know!!!! Voting at the airport felt funny! It was as if I was supposed to elect a pilot!

KF: Is the Gezi anniversary bringing up any memories of the past couple of years for you? I know you've been present for some events and not others, but since you're a part of a collective memory now of these uprisings, does memory extend beyond your personal experience?

FP: Yes indeed. The idea is I had time to romanticize Gezi, because when fear is not too close, you can sit back and think about it... but when you are in the middle of a protest, it feels more about survival, and one looses track of what one fights for. Collective memories help one to wake up from the daily routine and stay in the present in this case, as opposed to personal memories that push one to dream most of the time. It is the difference between being afraid and being sad.

KF: Can you give me an example of a collective memory and a personal one of these past events?

FP: Sure. When I heard about someone being killed by the police in the news, I felt very very sad, I wanted to go there and do something, then I began dreaming about what I could do, what I have done, what I would do, or what I should do, floating in time... but when I was running away from the gas with all the other people around all I thought was to be able to breathe, just like the others... and make sure my friends are able to breathe, we were just in the present. It was as if the subject was evaporated, or maybe it was the real "subject", the animal self. We revolt against something to survive, and to revolt against something in the “field” we experience the real sense of survival.

KF: Are there any incidents that really stick out for you during that time? That you keep coming back to? They don't have to be directly related to the protests. Are there sounds you remember?

FP: I can talk about a sensation in general I guess. Some kind of cold sensation. Even if it is hot, it feels cold... the police and their outfits, masks, guns, tanks etc... it feels cold... metallic... but this is again what it feels like after the uprising... maybe during the uprising it was hot as hell.
I am sure people experienced things that would make this example silly, especially when Gezi was happening the cruelty was intense... but my biggest memory was during the theater play I saw... did I tell you about it? It was surreal.

KF: I remember but say it again please.

FP: I went to see a play and it was about a homeless kid who experienced Gezi. When the actor was saying a line like "the police throw the gas capsule and we began running away", suddenly the audience began coughing... it was hard initially to figure out if it was us feeling empathy with the actor or if it was a real gas capsule. We waited until the end of the play, went out to see that the police had thrown a gas capsule at the building the theater was in. We tried to leave the building but the protest was happening right in front of the building and there were anti-riot water cannons around... we used the back door... we went out and saw a crowd running toward us, which means the gas is in the air... we were lucky to find a taxi and jump in... my friend had asthma... it was not the most scary incident but quite dream-like... theater versus life... you know.
And at another time we were at a peaceful commemoration, it was very crowded... when it is that crowded it feels like there is no way out... and you become extremely alert... it is like a deep roar... but constantly in the same volume, so you never know where the source of the roar is... because it is everywhere, it is within. Sometimes what makes you anxious is not the protest itself but the past that makes you know what could happen during a protest... I was more actively thinking about Turkish politics when I was away in NY, here it feels like I should do something instead of thinking about it... but there is not much to do... other than logistics, politics. I am more interested in the poetics of a revolution than the politics of it.

KF: Do you ever dream about the events? Or ones you weren't apart of?

FP: I was dreaming about them when I was in New York... I was dreaming about what I envisioned them to be, more like symbolic dreams. Here, I don't... weird... I guess there should be a distance between you and the events to create metaphors. But people who experienced the trauma during the uprising, they say they often see nightmares, some need therapy.
Anarchy is better I guess. To deal with the system using the systems' tools is hard... the system is what is rotten... the thread is too long, and it feels like a political strategy cannot help such knots... but do I agree with a suicide bomber? Of course not.
I guess the only option is either fight in the present in person in the streets, or just dream for a distant future... like 50 years from now someone can read what I write and it may provoke something in him or her... that may lead to a transformation. blah blah...

KF: “Why the hell would I want to travel on railways under anarchism?!”

FP: Hahahahaaa…exactly! I am reading all that Innova text from a whole other perspective now!

KF: Is it useful to commemorate a failed revolution?

FP: We argued about that a lot here. Commemoration, either failed or not, is just a memory activator... it is a form of archiving I guess... sometimes one hopes for it to provoke yet another revolutionary momentum, but at other times it feels like it takes away the possibility of another uprising, because it releases the tension somehow and without enough pressure built up it is hard to have a revolutionary momentum...

KF: Hold on...

FP: Ha! Actually that is the right phrase... that is all we do here right now, we are holding on!

KF: “The oppressed masses, even when they rise to the very heights of creative action, tell little of themselves and write less. And the overpowering rapture of the victory later erases memory’s work. Let us take up what records there are….” Guess who?

FP: haha

KF: Papa Trotsky, your old friend.

FP: Someone who was not a part of an oppressed mass.

KF: He writes of himself in the 3rd person in that “History of the Russian Revolution” volume. Weird. I think I have collective memories about Trotsky.

FP: Trotsky! Utopia is too good to be true... 3rd person! Interesting, very Brechtian! Actually this is really important... writing of himself in third person... de-subjectifying of the self... communism cannot happen otherwise. Which in a sense may not be the ideal for me... philosophically maybe but not politically. Moderation... is a dangerous word... it leads to standardization from another path. There are always empowering forces that creates the "-tion"... the noun form of a verb! When action becomes a noun, there is danger. I think the only way for a revolution is to shake the language! We need to strip the political terminology and redefine it... or else it will just be failure after failure... as I’ve said to kill the system with the systems' tool... is not working... because the system is rotten. All words are overloaded!

KF: Do you have any regrets about the events of these past few years? Personal ones, not collective regrets about the movement.

FP: You mean personal regrets about the events?

KF: Things you wish you did, or could have done, and didn't. Can be very specific, or minute.
Your Skype id picture is really intimidating by the way.

FP: Hahah. Looks quite young and regretful, doesn't she?

KF: Or a little like Charlotte Bronte or something.

FP: Well, I have regrets, but I always feel glad when I feel regretful, does that sound weird?

KF: Why?

FP: It means I am on track, and have the power to be self critical. I never like people saying "I never regret"... it feels pretentious and over-confident, almost too strategic. One can only feel regret if there are risks that were taken I guess... what do you think?

KF: Yes risks. Or you didn't know what the right solution was, and still don't.

FP: Of course I am not talking about a regret that takes over, more like being aware of wrong decisions... and continuing to look for them, search for them... one of the reasons why I teach is to figure out how to tell what I want to tell... without the arts.

KF: I think in teaching the lessons that stick with students are the ones that are much broader and more profound than we intend to give.

FP: What was the name of that game… there is a face that eats stuff as it moves in a labyrinth? Old game. There is some other stuff that follows it, and it is running away in the meantime....

KF: That is the greatest description of Pac Man I have ever heard.

FP: There you go! That is how I feel lately. Pac Man, the revolutionary hungry artist, who is running away from the system!

KF: Do you think it is possible for a revolution to be as profound if it is a revolution of words?

FP: Well if it is not only on paper it can be I guess. My key word is "metaphor" nowadays... as opposed to "materialism" or "metaphysics". We need to begin defining things with unusual adjectives... or to define something with another thing's properties. I guess I am trying to figure out how to do politics with poetry! Not talking about politics poetically.

KF: And when does it stop being academic and actually useful… or transformative on a larger scale?

FP: Yes, this is the question! I guess it never does for masses... but it does for a few who can provoke masses... or maybe it is possible for a revolution to be individual? Well, what I mean is instead of horizontally becoming crowded in the present, can we become vertically crowded in time... like one revolutionary each year?

KF: I like this, vertically crowded in time.

FP: I am in between... I refuse to be an activist, and I refuse to be a thinker. The solution is not to sacrifice the self. I think the idea is to be familiar with the self that is universal. There are two selves here that I am dealing with... one is the one that is talking to you now, and the other is a self that is more primal (maybe not the right word...)

KF: Speaking of primal, I now have a 2 year-old hanging on me with a mouth full of chicken. Might be time to go…

FP: Ok dear! See that is exactly what I meant! Mouth full of chicken! Great to talk to you! More soon...


conducted over internet chat June 2, 2015

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Theater artist Fulya Peker’s dialogue with arts and aesthetics began with painting classes. Soon images transformed into words, and her interest in poetry led her to theater.
She completed her BA in Theater at H.U. Ankara State Conservatory, and her MA in Theater, Literature, History and Criticism at Brooklyn College/CUNY. She interned at the 13th Street Repertory Theater as an assistant to the literary manager, at the Wooster Group and the Ontological-Hysteric Theater as a production assistant.
In New York, she performed in works by the leading figures of experimental theater and music such as Richard ForemanJohn Zorn, and Robert Ashley. She also worked with butoh dance master Katsura Kan and photographer/director David Michalek. While presenting her own work as a writer and director, she also collaborated with fine arts, literature, and philosophy organizations on projects concerning ritualistic and avant-garde theater. Her poems, translations, and articles on experimental theater were published both in Turkey and the USA.
Peker, as the founder of Modern Mythologies Project and the founder/artistic director of the theater group Katharsis Performance Project, continues to present performances; develop and teach new approaches and interdisciplinary projects on acting, writing, directing internationally.
She has performed with Object Collection on several pieces including "cheap&easy OCTOBER", "NO HOTEL", "Innova", and was the solo voice in their staged adaptation of Robert Ashley's "Automatic Writing".

www.fulyapeker.com


PART 1 - June 20, 2014 - interview between Fulya Peker and Kara Feely

These three interviews between Fulya Peker and Kara Feely, which address the aftermath of the Gezi Park Protests in Turkey, served as the basis for the majority of the text for Object Collection's 2015 opera "cheap&easy OCTOBER".

This first interview was conducted one year after the Gezi protests.
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June 20, 2014 


Kara Feely: Hellloooo?

Fulya Peker: Helllooo!

KF: Sorry about the delay… had to put my boy to bed. Lots of child shuffling today.

FP: He is growing up, no worries...

KF: Soooo… I didn't really prepare for this but probably that is best.

FP: Me too!

FP: It actually fits the case... such things happen when people are totally unprepared!

KF: Heh. Ok, so perhaps we can think first about some key questions, and then we can chip away at these layers of questions and find deeper things to talk about, and tangents are always welcome.

FP: One main question that is invading my brain nowadays is the idea of pace! In a revolutionary climate words feel way too slow... the mind cannot catch up with praxis. But then politics is all about words, word choices and how some words are implanted into the minds of masses in time.

KF: There's always the difficulty when you are in the midst of something to determine the exact moment of it "happening", or the "present". Is it happening now? How about now? So words in some ways help to locate the event, or organize it somehow in our minds, and record it for posterity.

FP: Then the second issue comes up: words are concepts, thus once a word is abused by the politicians the concept itself is also being abused... and so on... you know the issue I touched upon in the article. "NOW" is the big key word... the uprisings are not "for now" but "from now". I don't know if this makes sense but actually nothing does.

KF: I know. "From now on…." versus “at this moment"??

FP: Yes... it is not for today (although everyone wishes so... it is not possible, the change cannot happen as fast...), BUT it is for some tomorrow... from now on. I think it is this idea of "now" that triggers the pace...  it feels like we are always late for "now". We are actually. Late.

KF: Yes, I think we've always just missed "now". Which perhaps how words then take the place of action, or how action gets transformed into words. So we recreate the event in words, or write the history so to speak. Always waiting for the next "now" to go by so we can acknowledge it as such.

FP: Almost. It is the mirror effect... there is the action and the reflection of the action "words"... but then we can also use words to transform the action... so there is a round trip in this journey somehow...

KF: Is there a battle over particular words that you are embroiled in at the moment? I'm just interested in which words.

FP: Words in a sense are both the tool and target. Quite tragic in a way. Ah many many words... "revolution" itself is already a word that is used as if it is a "sickness" by conservatives... all around the world. It feels like for the revolutionaries and conservatives, rightists and leftists the meaning of many words are different, they have different connotations... elitist, terrorist, flag, soldier, police, god, alcohol, love... so there are different dictionaries for the same language. Ideologies adopt the words and their use of the word in time changes the concept the word signifies. Sorry I am in an extremely conversational mode so my writing may get confusing at times, feel free to insist if you need any clarification.

KF: Conversational is good. I'm pretty scattered...

FP: Another mode that fits the case: being scattered. All we are trying to do is to try to stop that sense of being scattered... trying to create networks to gather people who think alike, etc. What was interesting during Gezi was that the scattered feeling was still there, people were not sharing the same thoughts, but the location held them together... third big question: "location", the container. now=time/ pace=duration/ location=space

KF: An action needs a location to take place. I like your equation. It makes me think of a score, and a formula.

FP: Physics is quite involved in revolutionary impulse. Basically there is a circular momentum. First comes scattering, it should get too scattered, not only one-two pieces... it should get way too scattered... and then there is a gathering of those scattered pieces, knowing that there is no way to get back to the original shape, before the scattering happens, and then there is the creative impulse through which we try to figure out what new shape these scattered pieces form. At this very moment historical failures happen. Because to form a new shape these pieces have to free themselves from their previous ideas, they have to forget the shape they serve in the past... quite impossible.

KF: I'm just wondering how anything actually ever gets accomplished in a revolutionary sense. How does all that whirlwind of activity sweep up into something which actually has force and effect? It seems almost about as probable as the universe getting created.

FP: Indeed... that is why I think revolution is not something that aims towards a target, even if it is it is not a target that we can consider today (now), maybe years later. Maybe it is all about reshuffling, so there is space to put in new stuff, like a bag of sand. I wish it were possible to eliminate instead of constantly packing in more of the same old stuff. What makes it hard is that the end of the road is not visible, and this takes away the motivation.

KF: That's interesting… to eliminate the target. So you have the sandbag- the container. And the people- the sand. And you start hurling it at people and see what it knocks over. Or how it falls. Hurling it at things I mean.

FP: The sand is the ideas of the people, yes. Tired of the same events, you go out, the police attack you, some friends are taken into jail, some are wounded, you go home and wait for the next protest... useless. What is useful at this point is the "network" that the events created, you can reach out to masses in 24 hours if you need to organize a protest. And here comes the next question: we need to do what is not expected, when it is not expected... it is quite Maoist in a way. What makes it effective is the "secrecy" "spontaneity" "unexpectedness". During the first year anniversary of Gezi all streets were blocked by the police, they did not let anyone in the Taksim square, it all was anticipated. At this point it is all about strategy, like war strategies. Nowadays, people are taken in just because they said "Gezi was good!"... crazy times. Yet it does not look like it. It feels like all is gone, yet you never know when it can burst again. There is extreme control over freedom of expression…

KF: That is frightening. So somehow you have to balance the control and your own safety with the ability to be open and completely wild with possibility and invention. That's a confusing sentence. I need to go, but this is a good step and lots to think about. It would be good to do this with some frequency. Maybe we hit upon some profound sporadic bursts of insight.

FP: Yes, I agree... I am overloaded so feel free to stop me next time. Next time I will go 3 words at a time!



conducted over internet chat June 20, 2014

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Theater artist Fulya Peker’s dialogue with arts and aesthetics began with painting classes. Soon images transformed into words, and her interest in poetry led her to theater.
She completed her BA in Theater at H.U. Ankara State Conservatory, and her MA in Theater, Literature, History and Criticism at Brooklyn College/CUNY. She interned at the 13th Street Repertory Theater as an assistant to the literary manager, at the Wooster Group and the Ontological-Hysteric Theater as a production assistant.
In New York, she performed in works by the leading figures of experimental theater and music such as Richard ForemanJohn Zorn, and Robert Ashley. She also worked with butoh dance master Katsura Kan and photographer/director David Michalek. While presenting her own work as a writer and director, she also collaborated with fine arts, literature, and philosophy organizations on projects concerning ritualistic and avant-garde theater. Her poems, translations, and articles on experimental theater were published both in Turkey and the USA.
Peker, as the founder of Modern Mythologies Project and the founder/artistic director of the theater group Katharsis Performance Project, continues to present performances; develop and teach new approaches and interdisciplinary projects on acting, writing, directing internationally.
She has performed with Object Collection on several pieces including "cheap&easy OCTOBER", "NO HOTEL", "Innova", and was the solo voice in their staged adaptation of Robert Ashley's "Automatic Writing".

www.fulyapeker.com